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Brie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Washington state
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 Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: House Snake ID |
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Anyone here good at IDing the house snake ssp?
I purchased these online as Namibian House snakes, which they obviously are not. Anyone have a guess at what they could be? They definitely dont look like my L. fuliginosus. But look a smidgen more like my capensis(or what I figure are capensis).
And what I figure to be capensis, and are het albino supposedly.
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mfezi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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me thinks the last few are capensis, the first one is a tough one. How many ventral scales?
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Brie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| mfezi wrote: | | me thinks the last few are capensis, the first one is a tough one. How many ventral scales? |
Well, thankfully one of them had shed the other day so I was able to fish the shed out of the garbage to count. I counted 219. |
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mfezi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Ok, here is the article that elevated the southern species of fuliginosus to capensis. I got this from Barry Hughes himslef (the author), but by his own admission, this needs a lot of work. Some have described it as a can of worms.
According to this, 219 is a number too great to be a capensis and is almost certainly a fuliginosus
These are photos of the paper, so i am sorry about the poor quality. I will scan them when i get a chance.
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slangman
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
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Location: liverpool
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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very interesting indeed don . i havent seen any hard literature to try and
distuinguish the species so found this very fascinating . cant wait to read the scanned copy . |
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northeastexotics
Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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Location: canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry but I do not agree with this article, in it the writer states Capensis is found as far north as Somalia, now since scale counts have such ranges where they can all fall under the same, I have to go with personal experience.
I tried breeding Specimens from Tanzania with my adults that originated from South Africa and had negative results.
I am not discredited this information, but I am just talking from a person who has all the species in question, and mine are all live specimens, not preserved specimens.
Donald as a person who now has all species in question as well the the exception of Aribucus you should be able to question so of this information. |
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Snakes Incorporated
Joined: 19 May 2007
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Location: Cape Town / South Africa
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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So what is the difference between the brown house from KZN, Gauteng and the Cape? I see that the Cape specimen is the smaller of the two while the KZN is two largest but are all three classified as a single species no matter the geographical and visual differences?
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SCI
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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Location: Belfast N.Ireland
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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I just done a scale count on one of my females and
it came to 190.So with there markings and the above
scale counts its looking very like there Capensis. |
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mfezi
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Hey SCI
Broadley told me their paper is almost done, they are waiting for me to gets some ugandan house snakes, but as soon as its up, i will post it here!!
I think you have a capensis, and that is cool. Now that i have an albino fuliginosus, it does not matter, there will be morphs for all of them to bred.
I am going to try and cross a pastel fuliginosus with an albino and see what happens!
exciting times!!
don
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